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the DE cinn is new, well to us anyway, I believe PA developed them a couple years or more ago ![[smilie=a_cookiemonster.gif]](./images/smilies/a_cookiemonster.gif "a_cookiemonster")
oh well you know what they say ' you can take a jackass to water but you can't make it drink ' 